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The electric car article used to be called battery electric vehicle. The page was moved in February/March 2008. Battery electric vehicle is now used only for BEVs other than passenger electric vehicles. 199.125.109.89 (talk) 23:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advantages

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People use cars mostly during daytime, and they will probably be charging it at night. This is good for society as there is excess and cheap electricity at night. In a way BEV's act as a means of energy storage for the entire society. Should we include this as an advantage? Enisbayramoglu (talk) 12:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hydrogen vehicle

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Would someone please look at the Hydrogen vehicle article? The comparison with BEVs is being destroyed by a hydrogen POV pusher. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article title - suggest All-electric vehicle

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Since batteries are used in gasoline engine-only cars and hybrids as well as battery EVs, it would make sense to rename this article "All-electric vehicle" or a suitable alternative to mean vehicles that run only on electric power. Facts707 (talk) 09:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably best to stick to the conventional terminology. Dicklyon (talk) 16:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An REV is a BEV

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A range-extended vehicle (REV)like the Chevy Volt is a fully functional electric car. Only the electric motor on the Volt powers the vehicle directly. The fact that it has an ICE generator and a gas tank on board does not negate it from being an electric car. Think of it as an electric car with a 40 mile range carrying dead weight in the form of and ICE generator and a gas tank. If that dead weight were something else such as bunch of golf clubs would that change it's status as an electric car? No or course not.

This is different from a Plug In Prius which gets some motive power from the electric motor and some from the ICE. If you drive a Prius up a hill the ICE kicks in. The electric motor on the Volt is powerful enough to supply all the motive power under any condition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.40.227 (talk) 03:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

REVs should be on the BEV list. They could be designated as being REV but they should still be on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.40.227 (talk) 03:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Volt is a PHEV (plug-in hybrid electric vehicle). The only practical difference between the Volt and every other PHEV is range on battery-only power. This article should be merged with the Electric vehicle article. Creating a separate article for "BEVs" is just confusing and misleading. Clayfoot (talk) 18:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Special Purpose Vehicles

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The entry under special purpose vehicles is bad, it's just a link to an advertisement. I'll try and get something written up and in place, but it might take a month or two, I'm in the middle of publishing a couple of books. Needless to say, time is at a premium. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't leave the add. I am searching for a citation on the first SEVCON controller. I knew one of the men who claimed to have been involved, however Peter has been dead for over twenty years now. It is possible I may be able to get in contact with some of the people who worked there after he did, they might still remember me. I'll see what I can get from them, and their competitors. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Better Tesla Model S Picture

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Excuse me. I would like to request the use of a better picture of the Tesla Model S for this article. The shot is a bit blurry and there's too much background noise. We need a high-quality picture to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Can anyone please help? Thank you.--Gg53000 (talk) 00:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you can help by taking a better picture and uploading it. Ask here if you need help with how to upload a photo you've taken. Dicklyon (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I have found a better quality picture in the Wikimedia Commons. I just need instructions to upload it.--Gg53000 (talk) 14:19, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. The picture I have been thinking of was deleted. Give me some time to find a different photo. Thank you.--Gg53000 (talk) 16:38, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

210 million electric bikes

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"In 2016 there were 210 million electric bikes worldwide used daily.[6]" - the quote is out of context, and the number is absurdly high. The interviewed specialist in the cited material was talking about *potential* market in China (only!), not about actual worldwide sales figures. With ~8 billion world population, it would mean that one in ~35 persons rides an electric bike, or one family in 8 or 10 owns one. I guess my street/neighborhood or even city (almost two million people) or even my whole country, had no idea about such wonderful news :) - I am dreaming to the time when we all will ride electric bikes, but till then, some editor may want to reformulate that paragraph... — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaurV (talk • contribs) 04:03, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Battery electric vehicle

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Battery electric vehicle's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SmithSpecs":

  • From List of modern production plug-in electric vehicles: Smith Electric Vehicles. "SMITH VEHICLES - Models and Configurations". Smith Electric. Retrieved 2012-10-08.
  • From Smith Electric Vehicles: Smith Electric Vehicles. "SMITH VEHICLES - Models and Configurations". Smith Electric. Retrieved 2012-10-08.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Battery scooter using hydrogen

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Hey, Could you check this patent: A HYDROGEN POWERED SCOOTER

Appearantly it was from a company called "Energy Conversion Devices, Inc". It then changed name to "Ovonics Technology, Inc" I believe and was involved with a hydrogen-based motorized rickshaw made by Bajaj. See here.

I haven't read how it worked, but since it uses a battery, I assume it made hydrogen on-board the vehicle and then burned this inside the internal combustion engine (which would be very inefficient). Still, allows for an easy way to reduce pollution from existing CNG motor rickshaws.

Perhaps mention in this article then ? Genetics4good (talk) 07:15, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was no consensus. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge Plug-in electric vehicle into Battery electric vehicle because:

1) Although it has been a good article in the past, since Plug-in electric vehicle was created 11 years ago the English language has changed

2) Hybrids are already covered in Plug-in hybrid

Chidgk1 (talk) 05:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly opposed! The proposal is based on an erroneous definition of plug-in electric vehicle (PEV). As the article PEV clearly explains, the PEV category of two categories of vehicles all-electric cars (battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (PEV = BEV + PHEV). The PEV is a supra category still in use to report plug-in electric car sales/registrations (as the references in the PEV article demonstrates) and also the term is still in use in several countries to define by law or regulation the incentives of electric-drive vehicles, particularly the U.S. The meaning of the term has not changed, the definitions presented in the PEV article today are still valid. And finally, a merge with the BEV article makes no sense, since the definition of PEV includes PHEVs, BEV is only about vehicles with a propulsion powered by electricity only.--Mariordo (talk) 16:21, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that PEV = BEV + PHEV. My argument is that the PHEV article is sufficient already and that the term PEV is less used than previously. Although I don't know the reporting categories in the different markets I will say that the US is a smaller market than either China or Europe. Anyway titles of articles should be based on everyday language not official language. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Opposed - backing up what Mariordo said, there are 3 distinct classes of vehicles with electric motors, depending on fuel source.
  • Pure battery electrics, which must also have a charging port because they have no other source. Run purely on battery
  • Hybrids, which get all their power from the combustion engine but temporarily store some of it in smallish batteries. Only run for a short time on battery.
  • PHEV's which can operate as either of the above. They are a hybrid with the addition of a charging port and typically have larger batteries than a normal hybrid. Often run purely on battery for extended times but have the option to run on power from the combustion engine.
Very distinct use cases and engineering.  Stepho  talk  04:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your 3 classes but I don't see how that opposes the merger - can you explain further? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if merging is the right option but some sort of terminology change is definitely needed. "Plug-in electric vehicle" is a phrase that is not really used in common discussion about EVs. In fact the term I hear most often to describe PHEVs and BEVs is just "electric vehicles". Hybrids (i.e. those without a plug) are generally not included in this category. If anything Plug-in electric vehicle should be renamed to Electric vehicle (although I note that there is quite a lengthy article at that title already), and then Plug-in hybrid electric vehicle and Battery electric vehicle could be focused on information specific to those two types. I also notice that Electric vehicle has a hat-note that directs readers to Electric car, yet another article which has a lot of overlapping content with Plug-in electric vehicle/Battery electric vehicle. -- Chuq (talk) 23:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the pages beginning with Battery electric, Plug-in electric, Electric vehicle, Electric car, for an example of how different countries have used different terminology. Note that those in italics are redirects. -- Chuq (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chuq, I agree 100% that the term Electric vehicle or EV is often used interchangeable with Plug-in electric vehicle (meaning both BEVs and PHEVs), and in informal talk EV is more common. The main obstacle is that Wikipedia Electric vehicle article correctly includes all kinds of vehicles not just motor vehicles (EVs include, but are not limited to, road and rail vehicles, surface and underwater vessels, electric aircraft and electric spacecraft). On the other hand, the use of PEV quite common in North America (including for the legal definition of motor vehicles eligible for tax credits, by the federal government, California and several states), and very often used in the technical literature and books to avoid de confusion of EVs with all-electric or pure electric or fully electric vehicles. Google shows 127 million hits for plug-in electric vehicle, so the term is not as uncommon as you think. For example note that the International Energy Agency in its annual Global EV Outlook, mostly uses "electric vehicle" but right in the first page of its Executive Summary (pp.10) clarifies in a footnote that "In this report, “electric car” or “passenger electric car” refers to either a battery electric vehicle or a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle in the passenger light-duty vehicle segment. It does not include hybrid electric vehicles that cannot be plugged-in", nevertheless, the term plug-in electric vehicle is also used. Also note that the site EV-Volumes, which is one of the world's main sources for EV stats also uses plug-in vehicle as synonymous with EV. Also consider that the Chinese use the term New energy vehicle (which also includes FCEVs) and in German are called electric drive vehicles (elektrischem), which also includes FCEVs. It is hard to accommodate for all terms and definitions.
I do not see a simple solution for this conundrum, but I proposed to you the following:
1. As a neutral editor please close this discussion, clearly a PEV or EV is not just a BEV (PHEVs are left out)
2. Open a new discussion in the talk of Plug-in electric vehicle or Electric vehicle to continue the specific discussion that you brought, if the term EV should be used instead of PEV, and how to deal with the existing articles given that the latter not only deals with motor vehicles, or automotive vehicle (self-propelled vehicles, commonly wheeled, that does not operate on rails -such as trains or trams- and is used for the transportation of people or cargo)
3. Another terminology conundrum that requires attention is the existence of a page for Electric car and Battery electric vehicle, in principle both deal with the same subject. Here a name change or a merger might be good options, but the latter article not only covers with motor vehicles.
I prefer to have the first discussion in the Electric vehicle page, and the other one in the Electric car page, but it is your call. Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 20:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Battery degradation

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A section is needed on battery degradation in real-world use. S C Cheese (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good idea, here is a very recent reference point from the company with the most data over the longest timespan regarding this topic: https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla-update-battery-degradation/ --D0li0 (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the lead and adding new information

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A) The lead section introduces battery electric vehicles but it does not summarize the rest of the contents of the article. There is also a continuity error in the lead, as highlighted below (please note the words in bold and those underlined:

  1. A battery electric vehicle (BEV), pure electric vehicle, only-electric vehicle, fully electric vehicle or all-electric vehicle is a type of electric vehicle (EV) that uses energy exclusively from an on-board battery. This definition excludes hybrid electric vehicles.
  2. They<= as in BEV's derive all power from battery packs and thus have no internal combustion engine, fuel cell, or fuel tank.

As shown above, sentence #2 contradicts sentence #1 in that a hybrid electric vehicles combine electric battery motors and internal combustion engines. I will edit the lead to include information about the rest of the article as well as rewording the above sentences so that they are more coherent.

B) I will also be adding information that pertains to BEV policy from at least 3-4 of the top leaders in this industry: China, Norway, Japan, United States. This will include domestic as well as international policies. I will also be adding more information to the "History" and the "Environmental Impact" sections. This article is extremely short and adding new and current information will be beneficial for those who have little to no prior knowledge on this subject. Simba06 (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)Simba06 (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome to mess this article up even more than it currently is, but I think in normal English the sentences are not contradictory. Greglocock (talk) 02:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a contradiction in the lead. Some people think that an EV includes hybrids just because there is a battery and electric motor involved. But this article is making it clear that a BEV has a more restrictive definition of EV that excludes anything with an ICE. Ie, a BEV is battery only, not battery plus other stuff.  Stepho  talk  02:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake, I was reading include instead of exclude. Please disregard, I will be editing my original post in light of this error. thanks for catching that.Simba06 (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. But please don't edit previous comments - it makes it really hard to follow the conversation because the comments after it no longer match.  Stepho  talk  16:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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